Just sayin

[nobass]

sorry dog meant doc

[nobass]

man i am sorry i miunderstood your meaning please accept my apology

[Abbeysdad]

"Can't we all just get along?"

[bassboogieman]

go ahead and plant pits in pots

I think rather, plant some pot in pits, we can share the harvest and all mellow out.

1. i draw a paycheck and have free medical insurance from the govt. that you are all paying for i i have not paid one red cent into other than my taxes 40% percent of it is taxt free dose that make me a '' MOOCHER"

Don, It's none of my business on specifics, but I think what you allude to is related to your military service. ANY medical service, or other benifits, you receive related to that is WELL EARNED and/or deserved. It isn't in the farthest stretch of the imagination, related to the leeches (and most of us are talking about govenment HANDOUTS to the UNDESERVING, not assitance to the less fortunate that really are deserving of some help) sucking the blood from the rest of us. To ask that question is a disservice to yourself and NO SIR, of what you speak is in no way similiar. Finally, thank you for your service and you have my upmost respect.

LMAO...only if I get to throw the shoulder strap down late in the match

OMG, I'm gonna puke.

[flfireman]

WOW! I am truly amazed and disgusted at what I just read. I truly believe that this was/is the worst thread I have ever encountered in the 7 or 8 years I have been here.

[bassboogieman]

What does it say about a candidate and his party, when the only way they can win is by limiting the number of voters, and subverting democracy?

That's about as stupid a comment as I've seen yet. What is the issue with showing I.D. to vote? You have to show I.D. to cash a check, why not to vote? What is a U.S. citizens' foremost right - the right to vote, so why not be sure those voting are who they say they are. IF you are a citizen and entitled to vote, YOU have I.D., driver's license, passport, School I.D., Birth Certificate, etc. What is the problem with identification at the polls? Voter fraud comes in may forms, voting under an assumed name is one of them and the only person that fears proving their identity is likely to be a fraud - and that's just not for voting. Every U.S. citizen has I.D., and if you don't have a problem showing it to cash your check, go buy a car, rent an apartment or buy a house there should be no problem showing it to vote. Identification of an individual that shows up at the voting place protects EVERYONE, not either party in particular. If you believe otherwise then you do not believe in justice for all, but only a specific group intent on defrauding others. Stuffing the ballot box can go BOTH ways, so let's protect both sides and require an I.D. before stepping into the booth. Voter fraud subverts democracy, not requiring I.D.

[nofearengineer]

You have to show photo ID to cash a welfare check, buy malt liquor, or rent to own a 56 inch plasma.

Why not to vote?

[Dogmatic]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

You have to show photo ID to cash a welfare check, buy malt liquor, or rent to own a 56 inch plasma.

Why not to vote?

I would, for once, have someone who makes statements like this, explain to me how this is not racist innuendo, since Rusty obviously can't...

I'm going to use an NRA like answer to the question about requiring an I.D. to vote(and a very specific I.D. too)...There are laws already on the books to stop voter fraud in all it's forms, in every state, why do we need more laws, other than to slowly take all of our rights to vote away, a slippery slope...the next law will be that you have to be a white land-holding, protestant male to vote??? Just enforce the one's we already have. (By the way, welfare, like S.S.I., and most government checks can be direct deposited.)

[nofearengineer]

Oh noes...he called me a racist.

I guess I lose the argument.

[RustyFender]

Originally Posted by Dogmatic

I would, for once, have someone who makes statements like this, explain to me how this is not racist innuendo, since Rusty obviously can't...

Well Francis. I have a dream. When people will be judged by the content of their character not by the color of their skin. I have always believed that is the way it ought to be. Stereotypes usually exist for a reason. Here's a few and my take on them. Jewish people are often referred to as cheap or miserly. Many many Jewish people are very wealthy. I have Jewish friends. When I meet a Jewish person I don't immediately guard my wallet or go on high alert for some scam. I make an honest effort to get to know that person. However if that person does in fact take advantage of me in some financial way or cheat me out of money then I have no problem referring to them as a jew(note lower case). The Irish have a reputation for being alcoholics and scalawags. When I meet an Irish person I make an honest effort to get to know that person. (One of my best fishing pals is an O'Toole) However if that person comes to my house drunk and makes a pass at my wife, then he's just another drunk irish layabout. (note lower case) German people have a reputation of being a very cold and calculating people. My wife is German. When I meet a German person I make an honest effort to get to know that person. However if after befriending that person I learn that they are devising a scheme to defraud me, then that person is just another kraut (note the lower case). I could fill a page or two with these sorts of examples but you get the point.

Regarding Mr. Obama. I didn't vote for him, not because of his race but because his socialist agenda worried me. However I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Well he has proven to me and the country that he didn't deserve even that. When he told his buddy Mr. Holder not to to prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation and when he thought it wise to drop all his g's when talking to the Congressional Black Caucus and on and on and on. At that point the content of his character came into serious question. Further (to me) he was no longer an African American or Negro he had sunk to the level of just another ni****. If that word offends you just envision Cris Rock saying it and I'm sure it'll be alright then and you can slap your knee at the clever humor.

So, back to paragraph one. I don't have a problem with African Americans. But I do have a problem with the very phrase African American. If Dr. King was the messiah of the civil rights movement and the sane voice of equality, then I think judging someone by the content of their character should be the SOLE measure of a man. The civil war has been over for a long time, no one alive today has ever been a slave or owned one. I think it's time we just moved on. It's institutions like the Congressional Black Caucus , Naacp, Black History Month, BET, Miss Black America, Affirmitave Action and all the rest that just won't let it go. Poor pitiful black people. They could easily get a good education and stay married and raise a family and teach their children solid values and teach them a good work ethic and be good role models for them and be a part of the true American Dream if only their great great grandparents hadn't benn brought over here to pick cotton by the evil white man. Give me a break.

[keithdog]

Originally Posted by bassboogieman

That's about as stupid a comment as I've seen yet. What is the issue with showing I.D. to vote? You have to show I.D. to cash a check, why not to vote? What is a U.S. citizens' foremost right - the right to vote, so why not be sure those voting are who they say they are. IF you are a citizen and entitled to vote, YOU have I.D., driver's license, passport, School I.D., Birth Certificate, etc. What is the problem with identification at the polls? Voter fraud comes in may forms, voting under an assumed name is one of them and the only person that fears proving their identity is likely to be a fraud - and that's just not for voting. Every U.S. citizen has I.D., and if you don't have a problem showing it to cash your check, go buy a car, rent an apartment or buy a house there should be no problem showing it to vote. Identification of an individual that shows up at the voting place protects EVERYONE, not either party in particular. If you believe otherwise then you do not believe in justice for all, but only a specific group intent on defrauding others. Stuffing the ballot box can go BOTH ways, so let's protect both sides and require an I.D. before stepping into the booth. Voter fraud subverts democracy, not requiring I.D.

Absolutely agree 100%. The only reason any party would fight voter ID is to enable illegal voting from a voting block they know they can depend on. Now I'm going to Taco Bell for dinner.

[joedog]

Kieth pick me up a Loco Taco, thier great!

[Dogmatic]

Just explain how a statement like that isn't...or did you just admit it?

[MississippiBoy]

Oh, for the love of God......you've got to be kidding me.

[carolina-rig-01]

Originally Posted by MississippiBoy

Oh, for the love of God......you've got to be kidding me.

I really wish he was. But sadly his arguements just seem to be getting more and more pathetic.

I can't believe that anyone would have a problem with a law requiring them to provide ID to vote. Anyone who has the legal right to vote has an acceptable ID, anyone who doesn't have the right to vote doesn't have an ID, it seems pretty cut and dry. But only someone who is running out of weak and pathetic excuses would even try to spin that into a racist issue. I am pretty damn sure that come election time there will be black, Hispanic, Asian, Canadian, and hell maybe even white people show up at the polls to vote, and do it legally. So your arguement about it being a racist issue is about as sorry as they get.

[nobass]

got 2nd that . i wish kevin would moniotorr this forum better this crap needs to be earse

[jig fisherman]

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,The creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.."-- Winston Churchill

These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read: Unfortunately, most voters (ESPECIALLY THE ELECTED) don't know this:
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them; and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work, because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
While not my own words they are articulated better than what I could have done. I also think that as people argue about the past and present, which is important, they need to think about how the future generations are going deal with it, and for me it is a scary thought, especially since I'm a member of that generation. And as liberals continue to corrupt and indocrinate students I worry that even if the current voters can begin the path forward, will the next voters be able to continue, or will we follow Europe's example. This country was great because Americans made it that way through the Constitution and a system called capitalism. If we do not go back to our old ways, there will be no USA to make great again, just another Socialist failure like Greece. But unlike Greece, the rest of the world will watch us burn with smiles on their faces.

[bassinbob]

well said jig fisherman

[BassinBandit]

I can't believe this keeps going and going and going and going........ Can we all agree that no matter who wins this up coming election we the people of this country are screwed. Obama has been no better than anyone else in the last 20 years and Mitt Romney will ship all the jobs he can overseas. They are both pathetic. If you can't agree with that then you are just a Republican or Democratic homer. Once again i will do a write in vote for Penn Jillette.

[nofearengineer]

Yeah, we're screwed because nobody has the guts to start telling the people with outstretched hands "no". Political suicide.

[bassboogieman]

By the way, welfare, like S.S.I., and most government checks can be direct deposited.

Dayum, you are right - but forgot to add that you need to show the bank I.D. in order to open an account in which to have that govenment check (or any other for that matter) deposited. Spinning a tidbit of partial truth to support your argument, just doesn't work.

[nofearengineer]

I was going to bring that up Boogie, but I didn't want to get accused of trying to prove I was smarter than everyone else.

You're such an arrogant know-it-all sometimes.

[mike234]

There are 2 subjects which should never be discussed. Religion and politics. No matter what points you make in the argument these are two very emotional and personal subjects which only result in everyone losing their tempers and some very harsh words said.
After all this discussion and name calling has anyones mind been changed? No I doubt it very seriously.

[wallywallace]

The ship is gonna sink, no matter who the captian is, boys

[joedog]

--Income taxes include Individual and Corporate taxes
Federal expenditures often exceed Revenue by temporary borrowings.
Initially the U.S. Federal Government was financed mainly by customs(tariffs
Average Tariff Rate % = Customs Revenue/ cost of Imports (goods).
Other taxes collected are: Income Tax, Corporate Income Tax, Inheritance,
Tariffs—often called Customs or duties on imports, etc.
Income Taxes began in 1913 with the passage of 16th Amendment.
Payroll taxes are Social Security and Medicare taxes
Payroll Taxes began in 1940.
Many Federal government Excise taxes are assigned to Trust Funds
and are collected for and “dedicated” to a particular Trust.
Sources: Historical Statistics of the United States 1789-1945[7]
Bicentennial Edition Historical Statistics of the United States Series 1790-1970[8]
U.S. Census Trade Statistics[9]
Whitehouse Historical Tables 1940-2016[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariffs...States_history

That means something coming here from china is taxed less than 2%.
In turn something sent from US to china is taxed at a rate of at least 25%, more for like cars,ect.

If you follow the supplied chart....It's not the Republicans nor the Democrates because it's simply the POLITICIANS, PERIOD!
They all are cutting tarriffs!
See when the constitution was signed the Govt. and all it's spending came from people bringing crap from elsewhere ....NOT ANY MORE!

Another little tidbit to think about.

46% of all Americans pay NO Federal income taxes.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/tru...pay-income-tax

The next time you hear someone sneer about all the deadbeats in this country who don't pay income taxes, you might want to suggest that if they earned more, they'd pay more.

THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THOSE THAT CONTEND THAT ALL POOR ARE DEADBEATS....maybe not.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THOSE WHO CONTEND THAT ALL RICH PEOPLE ARE CROOKS...maybe not.

Bottom line is that beating up on one another solves ABSOLUTLY NOTHING!
Together, rich and poor, Dems and Repubs and anyone in between we can FIX this.
Compromise IS NOT THROWING IN THE TOWEL, it's just GOOD BUSINESS!

Another thing to think about.
Ignore the title and please read.
http://ows.edb.utexas.edu/site/its-m...ctors-consider

YES I am aware that I promised to stay out of this train wreck but when we AMERICAN CITIZENS start acting like POLITICIANS everyone LOSES!
I love debates and I lose enough of them to know that my opinion still counts even if I lose. But that doesn't make ME or my OPPONENT a loser or a winner...it makes us ALL more informed and maybe even learn something new. MAKES US INTELLIGENT

Name calling, verbal slights refering to opponent negatively shows one thing and one thing only...IGNORANCE

DEBATE ON ANGLERS BUT PLEASE BE CIVIL AND RESPECTFULL. NO-ONE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS but if we listen to one another, between ALL AMERICANS I am POSITIVE we can find all the answers.....I hope!