Just sayin

[Dogmatic]

Like I said in previous posts, I don't "hate" the top 1%, I don't begrudge them their wealth, no matter how they got it. I hate a system that has been bought by the wealth that the 1% have, and have used to manipulate the system for their own personal gain, rather than that of the common good, to the detriment of our nation.

[Highhawk1948]

Now there is a President you can really be proud of!!!!





Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth.

[kennethdaysale]

Originally Posted by Highhawk1948

Now there is a President you can really be proud of!!!!





Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth.

HUH??
I started this thread figuring I'd get some lively election year posts going. I don't think I like the direction it's taken. Sometimes some of us take the debate to a personal level too soon and too harsh.
Surely yall can remember how we all felt on 9/12.......for just a brief precious moment we were simply................Americans. Nothing else mattered.

[nofearengineer]

Well, if even KDS is saying it's gotten out of hand, I guess it has.

[MO_CPA]

Nice and proper use of sarcasm, nfe. I believe the jabs started from your side to begin with. Did they not?

And my perception, as I stated, is that his comment was "tongue and cheek" while I believe you really feel that much better than those that have been striken with disabilities, personally or loved ones they care for.

[Dogmatic]

BREAKING NEWS!!! Tax rates at lowest levels in 30 years!

[kennethdaysale]

Originally Posted by dogmatic

breaking news!!! Tax rates at lowest levels in 30 years!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>

[carolina-rig-01]

Well I will readily admit that this post went about 3 1/2 more pages than I expected before it got out of hand LOL.

Doc, I can appreciate your situation and I not only wish you didn't have to go through it but I admire you working as hard as you do to provide for your family. As I said earlier, I have no problem with people that need help getting it. Whether it's in the form of a government issued check or small charities, I think that helping people who need it is a responsibilty we all should shoulder. However I also believe that something has to be done to make it more difficult for people to abuse the system. Too many people would rather sit on their asses and draw a government check when they are perfectly able to get a job and earn an honest days pay if they would do it. You certainly don't sound to me like you fall in this catagory and I am glad your son is able to get the assistance he deserves. Now if we could do away with all the people who are abusing the system, the people who need help could get it and the tax payers would still notice less money being held out of their checks (as long as the government didn't come up with another place to spend that money. Hey a guy can dream can't he?).

[doc]

Originally Posted by carolina-rig-01

Well I will readily admit that this post went about 3 1/2 more pages than I expected before it got out of hand LOL.

Doc, I can appreciate your situation and I not only wish you didn't have to go through it but I admire you working as hard as you do to provide for your family. As I said earlier, I have no problem with people that need help getting it. Whether it's in the form of a government issued check or small charities, I think that helping people who need it is a responsibilty we all should shoulder. However I also believe that something has to be done to make it more difficult for people to abuse the system. Too many people would rather sit on their asses and draw a government check when they are perfectly able to get a job and earn an honest days pay if they would do it. You certainly don't sound to me like you fall in this catagory and I am glad your son is able to get the assistance he deserves. Now if we could do away with all the people who are abusing the system, the people who need help could get it and the tax payers would still notice less money being held out of their checks (as long as the government didn't come up with another place to spend that money. Hey a guy can dream can't he?).

Since I'm being portrayed as a person whom cant take care of themselves or their family, and mooch and take, I thought I would share that I am An IT administrator and AVP of the financial institution for which I am employed. I make better than average money. What "some People" do not understand is the financial burden caring for someone with a disability is like. My sons first hospital bill was $246,000.00 with no medical insurance (yes, I had insurance on me and my wife thru my employment) on pre-existing conditions. Therapy 3 times a week, botox shots every 3 months, walkers, etc... I would like to see him foot the bill by himself.

So, I do get a bit angry when someone spews forth garbage and ignorance from their mouth about a topic they know nothing about. To say that because I won the lottery and have a child with CP (1 in 500 chance by the way.) My family should suffer, my child should go without proper care, and I should be in financial ruin, is ****. (I'm sure you totally support your father in law, or whomever.) Get you some quarter million dollar bills in the mail and come back with your enlightened opinion on the subject.


I too would like remove the people boinking the system. I have to turn in my pay information to SS monthly, anytime I receive a 3rd paycheck in a month (paid bi-weekly) they are all over me. Contrary to popular belief the real prize is not no-fears check I receive every month (I looked, on the stub it says "taken from no-fear's paycheck. That makes me smile) It is the benefits that come along with the SSI (medicare). The working people whom receive benefits for someone else representative payees, are the people whom get hounded. For Social Security to leave you alone, you need to quit your job, then you can draw max benefits no problem. We have reviews every 3 months. I have to list anything in my home with over a $500 value. At the same time you can go to the SSI office and see people pull up in their new chargers. So, I agree that the system needs more accountability.

I challenge anyone whom thinks we should just "do away with the whole system" to walk into the Childrens hospital in your state, look at the families (alot of whom will be hard working people like me, If you like I can even give some examples of people we have met over the years.) and come back on here and say you still believe that. It's alot easier to call everyone mooches, and lazy until it effects you directly.

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by doc

What "some People" do not understand is the financial burden caring for someone with a disability is like.

Oh, I understand it perfectly. What I don't understand is how you think I'm somehow obligated to help. I help a lot of people you don't know about, and I'd rather not go into it, because I don't do it to score popularity points like some Democrat politician. I feel guilty even bringing it up.

To say that because I won the lottery and have a child with CP (1 in 500 chance by the way.) My family should suffer

What you're saying is because you "hit the lottery", other people should suffer. And, yes, I do feel that having my money taken from me at a point of a gun is suffering. The 5 extra years I'll have to spend working, rather than retiring and actually enjoying the fruits of my labor will definitely be suffering. I'm already anticipating how you'll hate me for comparing my having to work extra to the suffering of your kid. Well, if working extra is no big deal, then why don't you get off of the computer and get a third or fourth job to pay the bills yourself? Or daresay, get some private charity to help? Because you'd rather have others pay for it without having to be grateful. You ***** and moan about the hoops you have to jump through to get $250,000 bills paid for. You ought to be be doing cartwheels. LOL...I jump through hoops every day of my life to get the bills paid for. Welcome to the real world.

Oh, and Boogie...don't bother ruining a good argument by throwing in facts.

It's alot easier to call everyone mooches, and lazy until it effects you directly.

It's also easy to call the people picking up the tab greedy and evil, until you pick up the tab yourself.

Again, you play your sick kid like some kind of trump card. There is obviously no level of taxation on others that would cause you shame or even concern. You only worry about your problems.

[MO_CPA]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Oh, I understand it perfectly. What I don't understand is how you think I'm somehow obligated to help. I help a lot of people you don't know about, and I'd rather not go into it, because I don't do it to score popularity points like some Democrat politician. I feel guilty even bringing it up.

What you're saying is because you "hit the lottery", other people should suffer. And, yes, I do feel that having my money taken from me at a point of a gun is suffering. The 5 extra years I'll have to spend working, rather than retiring and actually enjoying the fruits of my labor will definitely be suffering. I'm already anticipating how you'll hate me for comparing my having to work extra to the suffering of your kid. Well, if working extra is no big deal, then why don't you get off of the computer and get a third or fourth job to pay the bills yourself? Or daresay, get some private charity to help? Because you'd rather have others pay for it without having to be grateful. You ***** and moan about the hoops you have to jump through to get $250,000 bills paid for. You ought to be be doing cartwheels. LOL...I jump through hoops every day of my life to get the bills paid for. Welcome to the real world.

Oh, and Boogie...don't bother ruining a good argument by throwing in facts.

It's also easy to call the people picking up the tab greedy and evil, until you pick up the tab yourself.

Again, you play your sick kid like some kind of trump card. There is obviously no level of taxation on others that would cause you shame or even concern. You only worry about your problems.

Republican or Democrat is irrelevant. I'm a conservative Republican...which I suppose is different than the radical variety. What is being said is so out of line of common decency and human dignity that I don't even know where to start.

A big freaking congrats to everyone that, through the grace of whatever you believe in, is able to stand upright, work for themselves, and whose family has not been stricken with outrageous medical bills that cannot be paid...no matter how many jobs you have.

I suppose when you do retire, NFE, that you have enough money put back that you never have to draw on your Social Security...because we all know that if you do happen to live long enough to last out your nest egg that you will certainly be taking more than you EVER paid in. Or, you can refuse and become poor and destitute and unable to afford clothes to change out of those soiled with the same **** that you are spewing to everyone today.

I believe that you should never let religion, race/ethnicity, or politics determine friendship or love. But having a downright disregard for others is beyond anything that I can fathom.

Maybe I am the idiot for mouthing to someone that I don't even know on the internet...(that was a setup boys, use it as you will) but my goodness where did you learn such things?

[doc]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Oh, I understand it perfectly. What I don't understand is how you think I'm somehow obligated to help. I help a lot of people you don't know about, and I'd rather not go into it, because I don't do it to score popularity points like some Democrat politician. I feel guilty even bringing it up.

What you're saying is because you "hit the lottery", other people should suffer. And, yes, I do feel that having my money taken from me at a point of a gun is suffering. The 5 extra years I'll have to spend working, rather than retiring and actually enjoying the fruits of my labor will definitely be suffering. I'm already anticipating how you'll hate me for comparing my having to work extra to the suffering of your kid. Well, if working extra is no big deal, then why don't you get off of the computer and get a third or fourth job to pay the bills yourself? Or daresay, get some private charity to help? Because you'd rather have others pay for it without having to be grateful. You ***** and moan about the hoops you have to jump through to get $250,000 bills paid for. You ought to be be doing cartwheels. LOL...I jump through hoops every day of my life to get the bills paid for. Welcome to the real world.

Oh, and Boogie...don't bother ruining a good argument by throwing in facts.

It's also easy to call the people picking up the tab greedy and evil, until you pick up the tab yourself.

Again, you play your sick kid like some kind of trump card. There is obviously no level of taxation on others that would cause you shame or even concern. You only worry about your problems.

I was not complaining about the hoops I have to jump thru to get the bills paid, I was trying to show your uninformed self that I do agree the system needs an overhaul, by giving examples of how people that truely need benefits are hounded because they work and do the right thing, while other do get to "milk" the system.
LOL, you sir are a sad pathetic person. I am/was not playing my kid as a trump card, nor needing your sympathy. I was trying to show you that there is good and real need for those programs. I have to say I would prefer you to stop referring to me or my child and I will stop responding to your ignorance. I knew better than to reply to your first statement because I've witnessed your tirades on these boards many times, and knew I was getting into a peeing match with a person whom is never wrong.
Just know this, I will from now on wright "thank you no-fear" on every check I cash.

[Top Tiger]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

Oh, I understand it perfectly. What I don't understand is how you think I'm somehow obligated to help. I help a lot of people you don't know about, and I'd rather not go into it, because I don't do it to score popularity points like some Democrat politician. I feel guilty even bringing it up.

What you're saying is because you "hit the lottery", other people should suffer. And, yes, I do feel that having my money taken from me at a point of a gun is suffering. The 5 extra years I'll have to spend working, rather than retiring and actually enjoying the fruits of my labor will definitely be suffering. I'm already anticipating how you'll hate me for comparing my having to work extra to the suffering of your kid. Well, if working extra is no big deal, then why don't you get off of the computer and get a third or fourth job to pay the bills yourself? Or daresay, get some private charity to help? Because you'd rather have others pay for it without having to be grateful. You ***** and moan about the hoops you have to jump through to get $250,000 bills paid for. You ought to be be doing cartwheels. LOL...I jump through hoops every day of my life to get the bills paid for. Welcome to the real world.

Oh, and Boogie...don't bother ruining a good argument by throwing in facts.

It's also easy to call the people picking up the tab greedy and evil, until you pick up the tab yourself.

Again, you play your sick kid like some kind of trump card. There is obviously no level of taxation on others that would cause you shame or even concern. You only worry about your problems.

At last, the man's true character, or lack thereof, is finally revealed. Jesus must be so proud.

[nofearengineer]

Originally Posted by Top Tiger

At last, the man's true character, or lack thereof, is finally revealed. Jesus must be so proud.

Funny, liberals always endorse "separation of church and state" until it's time to justify separating people from their paychecks. If you really want to start using the bible as justification for laws in this country, go ahead. I'm sure that will work out okay for you.

Damn...where are Muddy and BassfishinWNY when we need some clearer heads?

[MO_CPA]

Originally Posted by Top Tiger

At last, the man's true character, or lack thereof, is finally revealed. Jesus must be so proud.

Don't feed the bears, Tiger

[Dogmatic]

Since NFE feels he's being taxed to death...I just thought he would like to know some facts. I say the Government should stop taking his money, if he agrees to stay off our highways, and out of our reservoirs.







$3.5 trillion budget
S.S. 20.4%
Defense 20.1%
Medicare 13.1%
Medicaid/CHIP 8.1%
Interest 5.7%
Low Income Assistance 5.3%
U.C. 4.6%
Education/Training 3.7%
Fed. Emp. Retirement 3.5%
Veterans 3.1%
Transportation 2.7%
Other Healthcare 2.6%
Parks/Natural Resources 1.3%
Space/Science 0.9%
Foreign Aid 0.9%
Agriculture 0.6%
Everything Else(?) 3.5%

...and just so you know, only 18% of us pay no Federal Income/Payroll Taxes...Just saying...

[MO_CPA]

...and just so you know, only 18% of us pay no Federal Income/Payroll Taxes...Just saying...

Of course, Dogmatic...bound by the lower of the two items...those that don't pay payroll taxes (i.e. unemployed, econimically out of the labor force, retired, and maybe or maybe not those that only pay SE tax and not a true payroll tax). That wasn't the point of my original post which was those that didn't pay income tax. My reasoning? Trying to correct the wrong perception of a lot of folks...that the rich don't pay as much income tax as they do. You're right, they pay at a much higher rate than others. Draw you conclusions as you wish from that statement...whatever they may be...but it is still a true statement.

[Dogmatic]

Really? Roughly 22% compared to 11% on average for the Middle-class. WOW! that is a much higher rate...NOT! The average Federal Tax Rate for all Fed. Tax is 17.4%, and Income Tax 7.2%('09, all households). Once again, it's not about taxes, very few of us pay our fair share.

[Top Tiger]

Originally Posted by Dogmatic

Really? Roughly 22% compared to 11% on average for the Middle-class. WOW! that is a much higher rate...NOT! The average Federal Tax Rate for all Fed. Tax is 17.4%, and Income Tax 7.2%('09, all households). Once again, it's not about taxes, very few of us pay our fair share.

You're right. Very few of us pay our fair share. EXCEPT for Bryce. He pays his share, my share and sooo much more than his fair share that we should all give him a by for the rest of his self centered life. And Bryce? A few of here who might have just thought that you were a selfish douchebag before, are sure of it now. You, Sir, are so far over the edge that you would need a compass and map to even find your way back to the fringe. After reading a few of your posts; it is very easy to dislike you. After reading a few more; it is mostly pity that I feel for you. What a sad excuse for a human being you are.

[MO_CPA]

Oh you are right...DOUBLE is not significant. All I was saying is that p in my job, there is a strong misconception that the middle class pays more.....that is not true....neither as a tax rate or as a percentage of AGI.

[Abbeysdad]

I'll confess I'm disappointed in some here. Whining, Complaining and name calling about well deserved entitlements and/or helping the poor, hungry and disabled???

What about the billions spent in foreign aid to support governments and people that hate our stinking guts? What about the billions to bring democracy to hell holes like Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the zillion other ways that government works hard to waste money.

Years ago my wife became seriously ill and was bedridden for over two years. Denied twice, she was finally granted SSDI in federal court. We really didn't want SSDI, we wanted her life back...but we had to settle for less. She had worked for years prior, paying into the system. I don't consider it a handout, but rather a payback. It wasn't your money NFE, it was hers....just as my retirement isn't your money, it's a portion of mine being paid back. Unlike you, I fully expect to collect SS as social programs will be the very last to fail. Although being a baby boomer, I hope for the best and fear the worst.

> Lets cut foreign aid and pull the military out of foreign countries - we're not responsible for the world, only our part of it. We need to stay strong and make it understood that any foreign actions that threaten the global environment will not be tolerated, but we should no longer attempt to be the world police force.
> Lets more closely examine how/where our country spends money like drunken congressmen!
> Lets better educate our young (and older) people to better ensure their future and ours.
> Lets up the tariffs on foreign imports.
> Lets bring manufacturing and technological development back to America.
... I have some other more radical ideas (like legalizing, cleaning up and taxing the victim-less crime of prostitution), but I'll spare everyone - lol

AD

[lowrider]

Originally Posted by Abbeysdad

I'll confess I'm disappointed in some here. Whining, Complaining and name calling about well deserved entitlements and/or helping the poor, hungry and disabled???

What about the billions spent in foreign aid to support governments and people that hate our stinking guts? What about the billions to bring democracy to hell holes like Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the zillion other ways that government works hard to waste money.

Years ago my wife became seriously ill and was bedridden for over two years. Denied twice, she was finally granted SSDI in federal court. We really didn't want SSDI, we wanted her life back...but we had to settle for less. She had worked for years prior, paying into the system. I don't consider it a handout, but rather a payback. It wasn't your money NFE, it was hers....just as my retirement isn't your money, it's a portion of mine being paid back. Unlike you, I fully expect to collect SS as social programs will be the very last to fail. Although being a baby boomer, I hope for the best and fear the worst.

> Lets cut foreign aid and pull the military out of foreign countries - we're not responsible for the world, only our part of it. We need to stay strong and make it understood that any foreign actions that threaten the global environment will not be tolerated, but we should no longer attempt to be the world police force.
> Lets more closely examine how/where our country spends money like drunken congressmen!
> Lets better educate our young (and older) people to better ensure their future and ours.
> Lets up the tariffs on foreign imports.
> Lets bring manufacturing and technological development back to America.
... I have some other more radical ideas (like legalizing, cleaning up and taxing the victim-less crime of prostitution), but I'll spare everyone - lol

AD

One of the best posts of this thread.

[nofearengineer]

The fact that you feel such hatred of me pretty much tells me I'm doing it right.

You're all so much more generous than me...at least with other peoples' money.

So feel good about yourselves all you want. You haven't really done anything good. It's the people who paid the taxes that did, willingly or not.

Apparently, the world of bass fishing is full of Marxists.

[Top Tiger]

Originally Posted by nofearengineer

The fact that you feel such hatred of me pretty much tells me I'm doing it right.

You're all so much more generous than me...at least with other peoples' money.

So feel good about yourselves all you want. You haven't really done anything good. It's the people who paid the taxes that did, willingly or not.

Apparently, the world of bass fishing is full of Marxists.

Yep, we're all Marxists, Communists, or, God Forbid, Democrats. We're all going fishing on our welfare bass boats. Thank you so much for that, Bryce. What a f&%#@ing moron. Let me amend that because a moron doesn't really know what he's saying. NFE knows exactly what he's saying. You would like to think that somewhere in his body would be an ounce of humanity. My guess is that he's just incomplete. It's really just kinda sad.

[RustyFender]

Originally Posted by Abbeysdad

I'll confess I'm disappointed in some here. Whining, Complaining and name calling about well deserved entitlements and/or helping the poor, hungry and disabled???

What about the billions spent in foreign aid to support governments and people that hate our stinking guts? What about the billions to bring democracy to hell holes like Iraq and Afghanistan? What about the zillion other ways that government works hard to waste money.

Years ago my wife became seriously ill and was bedridden for over two years. Denied twice, she was finally granted SSDI in federal court. We really didn't want SSDI, we wanted her life back...but we had to settle for less. She had worked for years prior, paying into the system. I don't consider it a handout, but rather a payback. It wasn't your money NFE, it was hers....just as my retirement isn't your money, it's a portion of mine being paid back. Unlike you, I fully expect to collect SS as social programs will be the very last to fail. Although being a baby boomer, I hope for the best and fear the worst.

> Lets cut foreign aid and pull the military out of foreign countries - we're not responsible for the world, only our part of it. We need to stay strong and make it understood that any foreign actions that threaten the global environment will not be tolerated, but we should no longer attempt to be the world police force.
> Lets more closely examine how/where our country spends money like drunken congressmen!
> Lets better educate our young (and older) people to better ensure their future and ours.
> Lets up the tariffs on foreign imports.
> Lets bring manufacturing and technological development back to America.
... I have some other more radical ideas (like legalizing, cleaning up and taxing the victim-less crime of prostitution), but I'll spare everyone - lol

AD

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt on this entire post, up until that last sentence. A person doesn't have to be bleeding and unconscious to be a "victim". I smell a Stossell fan. Perhaps you should encourage Abbey to consider this career. NOT