lipless crankbaits...

everettvet · 02-10-07, 10:08 AM

I was going over some tackle last night. I noticed that some of the lipless crankbaits have a smaller hook in the back than the one in front. Is there a reason for this? Does anyone know what will happen if I put a larger treble hook (same size as the front treble) on the back? Will it have an adverse affect on the action of the bait? Just Curious.

links_man2 · 02-10-07, 10:20 AM

If you put same larger size on both, you will probably have them hang each other up. That is why I think they use 2 diff sizes.

everettvet · 02-10-07, 10:36 AM

I thought about that. But if that were the case, why don't they all have 2 different sizes and why don't the regular crankbaits (liped) have 2 different sizes? I picked up some diamond shad (strike king lures) and they have the larger, same size treble hooks. It is a little confusing.

zooker · 02-10-07, 11:21 AM

diamond shads tend to be a decent hook but i still change then all..the strike king baits while great sound and bait idea the paint jobs suck gaint buttocks..i have seen better paint jobs on toys at toy r us.. i have about 30 strike kings of differant colors of course they are repainted buy those with talent -like carolina chip-the bait works great catches fish and still looks like a million bucks..ask lizard what bait i was chunking at high rock last spring..

zooker

pig n jig · 02-10-07, 11:46 AM

Its up to you and what works best for you.It depends on the type of water I am fishing.A same treble in the back hangs up on weeds quicker than shyt if your fishing them where they need to be in order to catch alot of fish the majority of the time.The Diamond shad I fish around weed beds get a smaller hook switched out on the back and sometimes no hook on the back and a size bigger on the front. Fishing certain lakes where bass hit traps in open water, I use #4 on both ends, it helps hook a few more as they tend to slash at the bait more than they would if your fishing it tight to cover.I hope like hell that this helps you, Ivan

everettvet · 02-10-07, 01:42 PM

Thanks for the info! Sounds to me that your better off to carry some hooks of different sizes with you to adjust to the situation. I haven't fished these much, but I plan on changing that.

pig n jig · 02-10-07, 07:44 PM

Well for the most part, traps are fished at low light conditions, or wind blown shallow water areas.I ain't saying you can't take the time to switch hooks, its a whole lot easier to buy a few extra traps. The best open water trap fishing time is when the water first reaches 55-60 degrees.You will get hit like a freight train around spawning flats, just remember to follow the contour of the drop off from the spawning flat. and make multiple casts in the deeper water section.That is where the trap will catch you huge fish. Also 2 trap brands worthy of noting.The Spro Aruku shad and the Luhr Jensen sugar shad will sit upright on the bottom when the retreive is stopped. This can be very effective fishing beds, just be patient, they will not allow the trap to sit there long before they move it. P N J

lizardsrule · 02-10-07, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooker

diamond shads tend to be a decent hook but i still change then all..the strike king baits while great sound and bait idea the paint jobs suck gaint buttocks..i have seen better paint jobs on toys at toy r us.. i have about 30 strike kings of differant colors of course they are repainted buy those with talent -like carolina chip-the bait works great catches fish and still looks like a million bucks..ask lizard what bait i was chunking at high rock last spring..

zooker

Stinking 1/4 oz lipless piece of rat turd is what you were throwing

Lizards

zooker · 02-10-07, 10:04 PM

nuff said

zooker

revrat · 02-11-07, 10:54 AM

I loves tossing me some traps!

Like was said above, the only negative thing that will likely happen when going to a larger hook is you may get hung up on grass a bit more, but that can be turned to your advantage by ripping out of the grass. You get bit a lot right when you snatch the bait out of whatever grass it may be stuck on. Just use a little stouter gear than you would use for regualr cranks. I like my Loomis CBR906 with 15 pound flourocarbon for rippin traps. For winging them under docks and getting into tighter paces with traps I have a Rougue MB665 that works really well. It is listed as a heavy/fast action, but the rod is not really that fast at all. It is a great trap and heavy shallow crank rod. I also have the 15 pound flourocarbon on that rod.

I almost always upsize the rear hooks so that I have a #4 on front and back on my LV500s, TN70s, those new Excalibur traps(They absolutely rock btw) and 1/2 oz rattle traps. I use a VMC short shank treble and they have not given any trouble as far as tangling up. I can force them to hook up together by hand on a half oz trap, but they don't do it on their own when I'm fishing. The bigger hook on the back definitely helps with hook up to landed fish ratio. Anytime I can get away with using a bigger hook, I'll do it.

Those VMC hooks are here:
http://www.staminainc.com/hooks/vmc/vmc7541hook.html

They are plenty sharp, and strong as all get out.

02-10-07, 10:08 AM	#1
everettvet BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 730	lipless crankbaits... I was going over some tackle last night. I noticed that some of the lipless crankbaits have a smaller hook in the back than the one in front. Is there a reason for this? Does anyone know what will happen if I put a larger treble hook (same size as the front treble) on the back? Will it have an adverse affect on the action of the bait? Just Curious.

02-10-07, 10:04 PM	#9
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	nuff said zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

02-11-07, 10:54 AM	#10
revrat BassFishin.Com Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Nor-Cal Posts: 62	I loves tossing me some traps! Like was said above, the only negative thing that will likely happen when going to a larger hook is you may get hung up on grass a bit more, but that can be turned to your advantage by ripping out of the grass. You get bit a lot right when you snatch the bait out of whatever grass it may be stuck on. Just use a little stouter gear than you would use for regualr cranks. I like my Loomis CBR906 with 15 pound flourocarbon for rippin traps. For winging them under docks and getting into tighter paces with traps I have a Rougue MB665 that works really well. It is listed as a heavy/fast action, but the rod is not really that fast at all. It is a great trap and heavy shallow crank rod. I also have the 15 pound flourocarbon on that rod. I almost always upsize the rear hooks so that I have a #4 on front and back on my LV500s, TN70s, those new Excalibur traps(They absolutely rock btw) and 1/2 oz rattle traps. I use a VMC short shank treble and they have not given any trouble as far as tangling up. I can force them to hook up together by hand on a half oz trap, but they don't do it on their own when I'm fishing. The bigger hook on the back definitely helps with hook up to landed fish ratio. Anytime I can get away with using a bigger hook, I'll do it. Those VMC hooks are here: http://www.staminainc.com/hooks/vmc/vmc7541hook.html They are plenty sharp, and strong as all get out. Last edited by revrat; 02-11-07 at 11:02 AM. Reason: edit cuz I kent speel tu gud

02-10-07, 10:20 AM	#2
links_man2 BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sanford, NC Posts: 134	If you put same larger size on both, you will probably have them hang each other up. That is why I think they use 2 diff sizes.

02-10-07, 10:36 AM	#3
everettvet BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 730	I thought about that. But if that were the case, why don't they all have 2 different sizes and why don't the regular crankbaits (liped) have 2 different sizes? I picked up some diamond shad (strike king lures) and they have the larger, same size treble hooks. It is a little confusing.

02-10-07, 11:21 AM	#4
zooker BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: denton nc Posts: 13,441	diamond shads tend to be a decent hook but i still change then all..the strike king baits while great sound and bait idea the paint jobs suck gaint buttocks..i have seen better paint jobs on toys at toy r us.. i have about 30 strike kings of differant colors of course they are repainted buy those with talent -like carolina chip-the bait works great catches fish and still looks like a million bucks..ask lizard what bait i was chunking at high rock last spring.. zooker __________________ the godfather.. aml in remission since 7-20-09

02-10-07, 11:46 AM	#5
pig n jig BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Avoca, NY Posts: 3,508	Its up to you and what works best for you.It depends on the type of water I am fishing.A same treble in the back hangs up on weeds quicker than shyt if your fishing them where they need to be in order to catch alot of fish the majority of the time.The Diamond shad I fish around weed beds get a smaller hook switched out on the back and sometimes no hook on the back and a size bigger on the front. Fishing certain lakes where bass hit traps in open water, I use #4 on both ends, it helps hook a few more as they tend to slash at the bait more than they would if your fishing it tight to cover.I hope like hell that this helps you, Ivan

02-10-07, 01:42 PM	#6
everettvet BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Paducah, KY Posts: 730	Thanks for the info! Sounds to me that your better off to carry some hooks of different sizes with you to adjust to the situation. I haven't fished these much, but I plan on changing that.

02-10-07, 07:44 PM	#7
pig n jig BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Avoca, NY Posts: 3,508	Well for the most part, traps are fished at low light conditions, or wind blown shallow water areas.I ain't saying you can't take the time to switch hooks, its a whole lot easier to buy a few extra traps. The best open water trap fishing time is when the water first reaches 55-60 degrees.You will get hit like a freight train around spawning flats, just remember to follow the contour of the drop off from the spawning flat. and make multiple casts in the deeper water section.That is where the trap will catch you huge fish. Also 2 trap brands worthy of noting.The Spro Aruku shad and the Luhr Jensen sugar shad will sit upright on the bottom when the retreive is stopped. This can be very effective fishing beds, just be patient, they will not allow the trap to sit there long before they move it. P N J

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