We Have Friends!

[FlyRod]

Start your day right!

The day after 9/11 2001, Buckingham Palace.
Her Majesty ordered this tune.
Note the emotions of the Brits in the crowd. We have friends.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQOQWAKnB1Q

Now, go out and strangle some ragheaded SOB.

FlyRod
With Malice Toward Some

[WTL]

The guy who sold me messy fries tonight had a rag on his head. I think he is a pretty cool guy and value his contribution to our community. I wish drunk students would stop calling him Osama.


But I get your point.

[adamgambill]

I understand as well, but Ive been buying beer from Omar since I was 17. He isnt a terrorist and has been here for years. I cant see why some people dislike them all, its racisim. I guess im the worst kind of biggot- a self hating biggot.

[bassinbob]

We will never stop biggotry or racism. Maybe you or me have none. The Muslim extremists want all christians and Jews dead. When my grandparents came to America I am sure they were looked down upon too. My grandfather fought for America in WWI, my father and uncles in WWII. I now have a cousin in Irac. While I didn't enlist during the Vietnam war I would have gone if drafted. I have served my country, in my eyes, as a volunteer fireman since 1978. Now the democrats want to stop funding for the war. This is because they hate the president. Can you imagine not funding the troops just because of hate! If in anyones eyes Irac had nothing to do with 9/11 I do believe it so. This is my privilege as an American who my family and maybe some of yours have given their service to ensure. I do not want to debate if we should be fighting this war. All I want is an end to the terrorism that was 9/11 and what might yet be awaiting.

[InEccess]

My own gut feeling is that we need an exit stratigy from Iraq. I'm saying this in support of our troups, and as a patriotic American who loves his country and the freedoms I'm allowed by it. My gut feeling is influenced by the people around me every day. I work with a vetern of the Korian war, a vet from Vietnam (2 actually, one who's Vietnamiese), a vet from Desert Storm (amoungst other wars), and a marine Sargent vet from the current war in Iraq. I've worked with a total of 4 people who have served in Iraq, and know others currently over there now. Every one of them say that while we had a justifable reason to go in there, we have no reason to be over there now.

[WTL]

A few things;


First, we had a reason to go into Iraq. It wasn't terrorism. It wasnt WMD. Those were concerns, but we absolutly had to go take out Saddam because he was willfully flaunting his violation of the 1991 cease fire. Had we allowed him to do that any ceae fire or treaty we had with a hostile nation would have been drawn into serious jeopardy as they would have seen us as a paper tiger. Some times you got to walk the walk.

2, unfortunatly when making his case to the American people GWB threw every reason including the kitchen sink out there in justifying the war, so many people are confused.

3, Saddam is dead. His regime is dead. We can afford to leave.

4, it would have been nice had we been able to leave with a stable Iraq, but it just isn't happening with our continued presense in that country. Are we making things worse? No, not for the Iraqi, but maybe for ourselves.

5, WMD did exist, just in small numbers - or it has been moved into Syria. That is a fact. I just hate pinheads who say otherwise.

6, We cannot cut and run immediatly. That would send almost as bad a message as letting Saddam get away with murder.

7, The exit strategy actually must be slippery and political. This is a political war.

8: My suggestion. Let the Iraqis have a referendum. Do we stay or do we go. Of course they will vote for us to leave. But because of the vote, a perfect example of democracy, we still will be able to claim that we didn't get whupped. And if they screw the country up afterwards, it will not be because we left them in the lurch, but because they foolishly wanted us to leave them there.

[Recon8541]

I spent 3 years in Iraq this go around, as well as Desert Storm. I tend to agree, we have given them the tools to form a functional goverment, should they wish to apply it. It is time for a tactical withdraw. We accomplished what we intended to do there, mission success.

It is now time for the Iraqis to step up to the plate and come of their own. If history serves me wasnt a civil war part of our history? Wasnt it a part that helped form an extended democratic society? If they need to have a civil war, let them have it.

The news here covering the war is about as accurate as Helen Keller playing lawn darts. They make it sound most times like we are being butchered over there, and seldom report the good things going on.

On average 3 troops die daily in Iraq, doing IMO what is just and good work. Iraq per square mileage is roughly the size of California. I bet the state of California wishes it only had 3 murders yesterday, senseless crimes, for no good reason. So why dosent the news here report what a slaughterhouse California is? Sensationalism in the face of good reporting......ugh!

[adamgambill]

Do you actually think were going to pull out of Iraq without some sort of war with Iran? Seems to me like we will end up supporting Blair and his Navymen before long-even though it is their fault they are being held. Is it also true that id we are in a state of war that there will not be a 2008 election and Bush will continue his term until the resolution of the war? If so does anyone see a downward spiral pattern here? I like to think that I vote for the best of the candidates, and yes I was a Bush supporter in 2000, but as much as I hate to say the Democratic Nymphomaniac from Arkansas seemed to do a better job. Do you remember going to war in those eight years? Do you remember catastrophic(not that any are not) terrorisim-on the scale of 9/11? I do not support these people nor do I condone what they have done, but all they want is a means to recieve their basic needs by selling the crude they are blessed with. Will they pay back the debt they owe to the U.S. with oil money? I doubt it. I really cant fathom the leader of our country being in bed with the people who fund such sects. "Bandar Bush" and allowing the Bin Ladens to flee the country when other flights were grounded and having your companies financed by Saudi oil- makes me sick and makes me think this is not something they have against us or our country-soundS more on a personal level to me. Just my 2 cents though.

[WTL]

When Clinton was President Al Qaeda set a bomb off in the same building. It just happened to not be strong enough to cause the WTC to collapse, but thats not to Clinton's credit. He was just lucky. He also let things get worse following the collapse of the USSR to the point where we had a lot of enemies by 2000.

Regarding the Bin Ladens fleeing the country in the days after 9/11; that is a huge family, and it has renounced Osama. In other words yes some of his family members were allowed to leave (so they wouldn't be killed for no good reason), but they had nothing to do with OBL other than blood (or so it has been widely reported). They were not connected to Al Qaeda, terrorism or anything like that.

Is it also true that id we are in a state of war that there will not be a 2008 election and Bush will continue his term until the resolution of the war?

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I missed that little jewel of a question in the body of your post...who the hell have you been talking to? Yes there is a provision which can allow for that to happen, but no - there is 100% no chance that it will happen. The GOP would never let that happen cause it would be political suicide. Bush will be gone soon, and the republicans will celebrate it. He has brought harm upon his party.

[adamgambill]

Literally worded as a question for that reason, Im no political scholar. Like I, say everything about 9/11 and Bush and the Saudis makes me wonder just how big a mess we've gotten into.

WTL for ****tz and giggles get on www.clubconspiracy.com and check out some of these guys. Makes you wonder how anybody knows if they're right or not.