If I were an MLB pitcher, and Barry Bonds were up at bat...

WTL · 06-27-07, 08:13 PM

I would throw as hard as I can for that oversized, steroid induced head pitch after pitch until they kicked me out. Then I would go to the dugout, grab a baseball, and throw a ball at him from there as well. I would continue finding new places from which to peg him until arrested, if it meant me hiding in the stands behind the cracker jack man. Hell, I would ambush him with a fastball while he is getting his morning paper. And if they fined me, suspended me, or arrested me I would take it, and consider it money well spent in making the point that Barry Bonds is an enemy to all those who love sports, and especially the game of baseball.

An odd unsolicited thought I know, but please feel free to discuss. This fraud is gonna be the homerun king sooner or later. Everybody knows he is a fraud. There is absolutly no doubt he is on the juice - how could there be? And yet, baseball will not suspend him, and we are left to watch helplessly as that man assaults one of the more revered sports records anywhere. It is worse even than the trout fed bass that they have in california.

Marty · 06-27-07, 08:23 PM

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And yet, baseball will not suspend him,

On what grounds would they suspend him? As in something that will hold up in court? I'm not defending him (he's not the only one), but I think MLB would if they could.

ToPwAt'R GuY · 06-27-07, 11:04 PM

I agree with you WTL. IMO he is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball.

thebus71h · 06-27-07, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marty

On what grounds would they suspend him? As in something that will hold up in court? I'm not defending him (he's not the only one), but I think MLB would if they could.

That's the problem with MLB... they are involved with this wonderful court system we have.

Courts have no reason to be involved with damn baseball! PERIOD!

Test the sum ***** for steroids, if he has nothing to hide, then he shouldn't mind taking one. What's the big deal?

BLWeng · 06-28-07, 09:21 AM

[quote=thebus71h;159294]That's the problem with MLB... they are involved with this wonderful court system we have.

Courts have no reason to be involved with damn baseball! PERIOD!

Amen brother!!! The legal system should have nothing to do with sports. Just like the NFL, it is a privelage to play the game. The problem is with the major sports anymore is the game is not a game anymore. It is a business, and when there is business, lawyers, judges, courts get involved. When they get involved, there are problems because these sports players are paid so much money, and so freakin popular that the judges are almost scared to do anything to them and they can afford the best lawyers money can buy.
Solution: Every baseball player must take a piss test for whatever, steroids, drugs, etc. If the test comes back positive, suspended until the test is negative. If never negative, i know plenty of people who would die to play baseball for probably the same amount of money they make now sitting behind a desk, or running into burning buildings. Sorry, for someone who puts my life on the line everytime i put on turnout gear for $30,000 a year.....f u c k these overpaid bastards!!

BassinBandit · 06-28-07, 09:30 AM

I would pretend to be Ricky "Wild Thing" Vaughn and put the terminator through his head. I cant stand the man. He is a complete peice of trash.

bassthumb32 · 06-28-07, 09:32 AM

He Is Going To Break The Record. But Someone Will Break It Again Someday. Hopefully It Wont Take Too Long.

lizardsrule · 06-28-07, 09:45 PM

Now why is he so bad bad? He's going up against pitchers who use steroids, so why aren't you mad at them? The whole thing stinks I realize, but Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth and others didn't have to go against pitchers who were juiced up. So since he's just evening the palying field why is he always the bad guy. How many times do people pitch around him? He has the record for walks. Just think how many homeruns he would already have if they actually pitched to him. Some hate him, and that's OK. My view is with or without steroids, he's the best baseball player I've watched, and I've watched him long before any steroids were talked about, back in Pittsburg. I don't condone the use of steroids, and it has yet to be "PROVEN" that he has taken any. However reguardless of whether he did or didn't, he's still one hell of a baseball player, and nobody will ever take that away from him. If you want to prove to me that every pithcer he's faced, has never taken any steroids, then I could see your point. But don't single out one guy out of the thousands. Since all of them take it, then he's still better than they are at hitting the ball.

Lizards

Super Fluke · 06-28-07, 09:55 PM

I still think that the home run legend is Babe Ruth, Bonds will never be like the Babe, no one will ever be better than him.

WTL · 06-28-07, 11:45 PM

Lizards, prior to 1998 or so look at the homerun numbers.

Then looked what happened.

It is obvious that something major happened, and whatever it was it increased the number of homeruns by as much as 40% for several players. In other words, if it was in fact the proliferation of undetectable steroids, then it benifitted sluggers - and empiracally speaking pitchers, who may or may not be on the same stuff, were not similarly affected.

Look at McGuire, Sosa and Bonds. In each case you had very talented ball players who were very, very good. Then, BAM! They were all hitting homeruns at a rate that had never been sniffed, not by Babe Ruth, not by Roger Maris, not by Hank Aaron - never. Again, obviously whatever has happened has changed the competition and the nature of what it means to hit a home run.

When you are competing against a historical record you have to keep in mind 2 things that should be consistent in order for a broken record to actually mean something special.

1., The player breaking the record must face contemporary competion of equal comparitive skill to the competion that the current record holder faced.

2., The season, rules (included what substances players are allowed to use) should be the same or as similar as possible throughout the ages. This isn't really always fully possible, but say we go to alumnim bats, and then even smaller fields, harder balls, 180 games a year, 45 major league franchises and we allow to players to dope - do you know what you could expect to happen? Players will kill the slugging records.

Now of course I don't believe those 2 rules are absolute. There will be variations in skill or the game from generation to generation, but it should be kept as consistent as possible. If it gets out of whack, then while records may be broken, the accomplishment which makes that record important is diminished even to irrelevence.

Baseball is a numbers game. Yes, each night you play the guys across you for 9 innings, but it is also supposed to be timeless. Any man hitting over .350 is also competing against Ted Williams. Maddux, Schilling, Johnson and the rest with each pit compete against Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax. But when you change what the game essentially is, you pervert that competion - its like giving today's players a handicap. And that is not fair to us as fans or the players who compete.

JB · 07-01-07, 09:19 AM

You lika 'da juice?
Da juice is good!

flfireman · 07-02-07, 08:54 PM

Yeah, and them damn trout fed California Bass suck too.

06-27-07, 08:13 PM	#1
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	If I were an MLB pitcher, and Barry Bonds were up at bat... I would throw as hard as I can for that oversized, steroid induced head pitch after pitch until they kicked me out. Then I would go to the dugout, grab a baseball, and throw a ball at him from there as well. I would continue finding new places from which to peg him until arrested, if it meant me hiding in the stands behind the cracker jack man. Hell, I would ambush him with a fastball while he is getting his morning paper. And if they fined me, suspended me, or arrested me I would take it, and consider it money well spent in making the point that Barry Bonds is an enemy to all those who love sports, and especially the game of baseball. An odd unsolicited thought I know, but please feel free to discuss. This fraud is gonna be the homerun king sooner or later. Everybody knows he is a fraud. There is absolutly no doubt he is on the juice - how could there be? And yet, baseball will not suspend him, and we are left to watch helplessly as that man assaults one of the more revered sports records anywhere. It is worse even than the trout fed bass that they have in california. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

06-28-07, 09:21 AM	#5
BLWeng BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Carolina Posts: 100	[quote=thebus71h;159294]That's the problem with MLB... they are involved with this wonderful court system we have. Courts have no reason to be involved with damn baseball! PERIOD! Amen brother!!! The legal system should have nothing to do with sports. Just like the NFL, it is a privelage to play the game. The problem is with the major sports anymore is the game is not a game anymore. It is a business, and when there is business, lawyers, judges, courts get involved. When they get involved, there are problems because these sports players are paid so much money, and so freakin popular that the judges are almost scared to do anything to them and they can afford the best lawyers money can buy. Solution: Every baseball player must take a piss test for whatever, steroids, drugs, etc. If the test comes back positive, suspended until the test is negative. If never negative, i know plenty of people who would die to play baseball for probably the same amount of money they make now sitting behind a desk, or running into burning buildings. Sorry, for someone who puts my life on the line everytime i put on turnout gear for $30,000 a year.....f u c k these overpaid bastards!! __________________ If you are going to do something, do it right, or don't do it at all!

06-28-07, 09:30 AM	#6
BassinBandit BassFishin.Com Active Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Elliston, VA Posts: 446	I would pretend to be Ricky "Wild Thing" Vaughn and put the terminator through his head. I cant stand the man. He is a complete peice of trash. __________________ H.G.: No. What I did to those men, after I tracked them down? That's the worst pain you can experience.

06-28-07, 09:32 AM	#7
bassthumb32 BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fort Loudon, PA Posts: 682	He Is Going To Break The Record. But Someone Will Break It Again Someday. Hopefully It Wont Take Too Long. __________________ MY LIFETIME GOAL IS TO KEEP AT LEAST A SMALL CASE OF BASSTHUMB FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

06-28-07, 09:45 PM	#8
lizardsrule BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saint Augustine, FL Posts: 7,374	Now why is he so bad bad? He's going up against pitchers who use steroids, so why aren't you mad at them? The whole thing stinks I realize, but Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth and others didn't have to go against pitchers who were juiced up. So since he's just evening the palying field why is he always the bad guy. How many times do people pitch around him? He has the record for walks. Just think how many homeruns he would already have if they actually pitched to him. Some hate him, and that's OK. My view is with or without steroids, he's the best baseball player I've watched, and I've watched him long before any steroids were talked about, back in Pittsburg. I don't condone the use of steroids, and it has yet to be "PROVEN" that he has taken any. However reguardless of whether he did or didn't, he's still one hell of a baseball player, and nobody will ever take that away from him. If you want to prove to me that every pithcer he's faced, has never taken any steroids, then I could see your point. But don't single out one guy out of the thousands. Since all of them take it, then he's still better than they are at hitting the ball. Lizards __________________ There are three types of Snakes I hate 1. Live Snakes 2. Dead Snakes 3. Sticks that look like Snakes. And Gators too!

06-27-07, 11:04 PM	#3
ToPwAt'R GuY BassFishin.Com Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: missouri Posts: 930	I agree with you WTL. IMO he is the worst thing to ever happen to baseball.

06-28-07, 09:55 PM	#9
Super Fluke BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jupiter Posts: 1,029	I still think that the home run legend is Babe Ruth, Bonds will never be like the Babe, no one will ever be better than him. __________________ Oregon state record smallmouth

06-28-07, 11:45 PM	#10
WTL BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Huntsville, Al Posts: 7,466	Lizards, prior to 1998 or so look at the homerun numbers. Then looked what happened. It is obvious that something major happened, and whatever it was it increased the number of homeruns by as much as 40% for several players. In other words, if it was in fact the proliferation of undetectable steroids, then it benifitted sluggers - and empiracally speaking pitchers, who may or may not be on the same stuff, were not similarly affected. Look at McGuire, Sosa and Bonds. In each case you had very talented ball players who were very, very good. Then, BAM! They were all hitting homeruns at a rate that had never been sniffed, not by Babe Ruth, not by Roger Maris, not by Hank Aaron - never. Again, obviously whatever has happened has changed the competition and the nature of what it means to hit a home run. When you are competing against a historical record you have to keep in mind 2 things that should be consistent in order for a broken record to actually mean something special. 1., The player breaking the record must face contemporary competion of equal comparitive skill to the competion that the current record holder faced. 2., The season, rules (included what substances players are allowed to use) should be the same or as similar as possible throughout the ages. This isn't really always fully possible, but say we go to alumnim bats, and then even smaller fields, harder balls, 180 games a year, 45 major league franchises and we allow to players to dope - do you know what you could expect to happen? Players will kill the slugging records. Now of course I don't believe those 2 rules are absolute. There will be variations in skill or the game from generation to generation, but it should be kept as consistent as possible. If it gets out of whack, then while records may be broken, the accomplishment which makes that record important is diminished even to irrelevence. Baseball is a numbers game. Yes, each night you play the guys across you for 9 innings, but it is also supposed to be timeless. Any man hitting over .350 is also competing against Ted Williams. Maddux, Schilling, Johnson and the rest with each pit compete against Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax. But when you change what the game essentially is, you pervert that competion - its like giving today's players a handicap. And that is not fair to us as fans or the players who compete. __________________ Selling live waterdogs for less since 2005.

07-01-07, 09:19 AM	#11
JB BassFishin.Com Premier Elite Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,655	You lika 'da juice? Da juice is good!

07-02-07, 08:54 PM	#12
flfireman BassFishin.Com Super Veteran Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Palm Bay, Fl Posts: 2,751	Yeah, and them damn trout fed California Bass suck too. __________________ In the Lord all things are possible.

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